Whether you are on your way to emptying your nest or already sitting in it, the role you lived as parent shifts. Who are you beyond mother? Who are you beyond father?
When you sit with others who are on a similar journey, you feel a bonding, a clan, a place to be right where you are with your full range of thoughts and feelings.
Until you hug your children goodbye and come back home to their empty room and silence, it isn’t real. You think about. You wonder how you will be and what will be next for you? You wonder how they will do away from home and support.
I have spoken with thousands of parents across the country. I am an empty nester. Empty nest is an invitation to focus back on self. It is a stage of your life where you begin to build new inner resources. You grieve for the role and life you had and at the same time are excited about the new freedom to come for you.
Even when children graduate high school or college and live at home, due to finances or other challenges, you the parent know, you have been kicked out of the kingdom as you knew it. They want more independence. You feel on tilt because you don’t know how to build this new relationship with them.
The school community you had is over. You are curious about where new friendships will come together. I haven’t met a parent who doesn’t long to feel connected with their children and free at the same time. Parts of you, the parent, had to go dormant. There is only so much energy you have. In this new stage of empty nester, you will find those dormant parts and celebrate what you forgot or chose to put on hold.
I remember recently watching a political historian on a talk show. She shared her insights about politics today and our future as it connects to what we may learn from past presidents. She was captivating for me, as always. But, when she sat next to her son, during that same show and looked at him while he was being interviewed, she lit up like I have never seen her before. Her face said it all. I am his mom. I am so proud of him right now. I am his mom no matter what age he is (he is past his college graduation).
For me, parenting has been one of my top teachers of life, joyous and challenging for sure.
Get support. Meet other empty nesters. You are welcome to connect for free on our website message board with other empty nesters, read the stories and blogs, or call about a support group in your area.
No one needs to go through this major life transition alone.
Take good care,
Natalie
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No matter if you are single, married, retiring, dealing with loss, health challenges, or seeking new inspiration or work, transitions ask you to go within.
My life started early with changes and I think that seeded my passion for teaching and supporting those traveling the unknown.
Tip for today:
Ask yourself daily, “What am I feeling? What am I thinking about? What do I need today?”
It sounds so simple. I will tell you that in Daspeaking with people across the country, they don’t make time to ask those inner questions.
Ask at least five times during your day and evening. One time does not take you deeper into your inner self nor open you to choices.
Take good care,
Natalie
Natalie Caine M.A.
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Married, single, career or stay at home parent, change brings vulnerability.
Karen called my office weeping, “I dropped my son off at his dorm and sobbed. I sobbed right there in front of him. I am not a crier.”
I don’t know where we got the idea that we can predict and control our sadness.
When you are going through a life change, all knowing is off. You have never been in this moment before, so trust you won’t destroy yourself or your kids. Tears fall.
A mother shared with our support group her experience. She said, “He wasn’t a freshman off to college, he was a sophomore. I knew what to expect, but I couldn’t hold back my tears.
He had to get go through security and I had to let him go. I just cried and cried right there in front of the lines of people who were going somewhere.”
You pride yourself in being organized, prepared, pulled together, and then that sudden, unexpected rush of feelings, falls out and surprises you.
Who is that person losing it? It is you and so many other parents who hug their children goodbye.
It isn’t just the goodbye, see you soon, love you, it is a new stage of your life that you knew was out there somewhere, but not today.
Seven years ago, I launched Empty Nest Support Services. I didn’t want to go through this life transition without support nor have anyone else walk the walk alone.
Some people need to get busy, some to be still, some to gather, some to get out of town. You will discover what you need and when you are stuck, sad, confused, you will find support. It takes practice to ask for help, to nurture yourself, and mostly to be ok with not knowing what to do or where to head, next.
I know this because I have lived it over and over throughout my life. I don’t like the unknown. I don’t like saying goodbye to people I adore. Who does?
I hope you leave your shoulds, and coulds on the street and step inside your home carrying self-compassion and curiosity.
Take good care,
Natalie
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Parents ask me what I do for fun since they are gathering new ideas for themselves.
Here’s a short list:
Read about chefs, meet them and eat at their restaurants (do you know who is in this photo I captured?)
Start my day with black coffee and pruning my organic veggie and flower garden
Read novels and newspapers
Movies with chocolate covered pretzels for snack
Out to dinner with hubby so we can catch up and laugh away from home
Day trips on the road
Music
Yoga
Zumba
Cooking Time with friends, anywhere, anytime
Piano
Farmer’s market everywhere and anywhere, even when I travel for work
Eat outside
Photography
My work is actually fun…don’t hate me.
Writing
Retreats
Just started, literally just tried, watercolors…maybe that will be fun, maybe not.
Collages
Hiking
Planning trips and hanging with the locals
Connecting with people in my neighborhood at local café or walking
Spontaneity
Remembering my night dreams and talking with my friends about “What did that mean?”
Decorating my home by moving things around every season, de-cluttering, adding new beauty if needed
Organizing my office and home, relief and fun
My cat Sophie
Sunrise out my window
Sunset walks on the hill
Walking around a lake, early morning when the mist rises
Wow, just noticed the thought of my daughter came now and not earlier. I adore her. Time together is fun because we have so much in common.
Well off to a meeting. Add what you like to do so others can get inspired.
Lists keep growing and get deleted when you allow yourself to be open and not always listen to the voice in your head that has repeatedly steered you wrong, meaning, hasn’t allowed you to be and do. Do you know that voice in your head very well?
Take good care,
Natalie
Natalie Caine M.A.
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Across the country, hugs goodbye, cheers and tears, are marking the roads. The number one relief parents share with me is, “Thank goodness I am not alone with my new feelings. I thought I was being over sensitive and selfish.” Who doesn’t need support when walking a place you have never been before and you aren’t sure where you are heading?
There are different stages of empty nest. Each person shifts and discovers in their style. Keep that soft aloe Kleenex in arms reach.
Some leap and are thrilled with the lack of responsibilities. Others grieve for both a short and long stretch of time for the role they loved and know has changed.
Singles have different longings and married wonder how their relationship will weather the lack of children at home.
Wives and husbands grieve differently, so their rhythm of let’s get going needs awareness.
Children out of their bedroom are excited and anxious about their new responsibilities and dreams. They honestly miss the anchor that home provides, even if they don’t express it.
School community is lost and therefore, connections and relationships for adults change.
One tip for this change is, let go of your perfection. You will make mistakes. You are sitting in a new room, vacant. Explore your expectations and then have a reality chat with yourself and others who understand this transition.
Celebrate all you are and have given.
You leap into what’s next and the challenges. You forget to celebrate you. You did it. You helped your child enter a dream on their wish list, as well as, a dream you probably had for them.
I like writing a letter to myself and then reading it out loud. No one is in the room when I read it… a little awkward to praise myself out loud.” What I appreciate about being a parent is that I…” Hope you make the short time to really sit and acknowledge yourself. Gift yourself in some way that nurtures you. One mom shared she didn’t pick up the phone for a day unless Caller ID showed a true need, like her kids.
You will find your new way of meaning and joy. You will learn how to build an adult relationship with your children. For today, be who you are and meet yourself right there without the critic or pusher in the room.
List what you loved to do after school in high school. What do you like to watch on TV? What is your favorite movie? Where do you like to travel? Who do you respect? Who would you love to visit? Where would you like to mentor? Where would you like to work for a day?
There are clues for what’s next. Let yourself be on a gentle hunt. I was surprised at the parts of me that emerged when my space and time opened: writer, photographer, media expert. I already had gardening, hiking, speaker, facilitator, entertainer, and travel in my boots. I didn’t have my daughter in the next room. I for sure had my immobile and tearful days and days, at unexpected moments. My partner was there for me and his experience was different than mine.
If you haven’t walked the empty nest, you really don’t get it. Then there is the phrase, empty nest, which is trivial, but we don’t have a new one, yet. What would you name it?
I am so happy in my new role as mother and in my new life with such freedom that I didn’t even know I longed for. How could I have been so devoted to being a role model and parent if I wanted to fly away so often?
Thank goodness I didn’t have the longing then. I loved my career, not every day, but it was a great match for me. I got burned out, frustrated, hurt, confused and joyful with parenting. Great teacher for me, being a parent! I am still learning in this new adult relationship with her and with my four nephews.
I am passionate about helping parents through this major transition because I live it and have been fortunate to learn so much from the thousands of parents across the country who wonder what’s it all about, this emptiness?
Take good care,
Natalie
Natalie Caine M.A.
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It is not about children for me. It is about what do I want to do since I am sick of what I have been doing for a career. Successful, yes, but life is short and I want to try something else.
Have you had these thoughts, too?
I know the economy is challenging but I am a go getter. I don’t want to volunteer since I have done that for years. I want more meaning and new friendships. Just like partners don’t last, friendships need a break up too.
Where do you meet new friends? I don’t golf.
I just am interested in what new careers some of you have explored and how did you begin? I thought of helping out for a day to see if I like that career.
I am an attorney. I thought of teaching.
Friendships seem scattered now. I want to add new connections and see if they grow into more meaningful friends at this time of my life. We don’t have the same interests or giving to each other.
Have any of you gone through these changes with work and friendships? I love to travel but that won’t do it for me as far as fulfillment.
Thank you,
Isabelle
Melissa hugged her daughter at the college dorm, got in the rental car, and wept all the way to the airport. The tears surprised her.
When you go through even an expected change, the reality settles in your heart when you wave goodbye.
Parents know the relationship they had will be different. They aren’t sure what their role will be and that is unsettling.
For a while you might not have been the go to person or the number one with your children . They might have been your number one, which doesn’t imply you didn’t have “a life.”
No guilt or judgment about your relationship. You did the best you could at the time. Truth is, most parents would drop what they were doing if their child needed them no matter what age or stage.
Grieving the role you lived as parent is unique, based on your relationship with yourself and your child. All parents feel the shift of this milestone. Comparing yourself to how your friends or others are doing in this transition of life doesn’t honor who you are right now.
There are many moments you are relieved at not addressing your child’s needs or schedule, but that has nothing to do with love, deep love.
When you love someone and can’t have time with them, you miss them.
Empty nest is a time of honoring all you gave. Reminiscing what you love about parenting and what you won’t miss.
You could write a letter to yourself , ” I appreciate the way I… I honestly won’t miss the way I had to….” You will find your words. Fifteen minutes of writing is healing.
Feelings are vulnerable and can be unavailable. Thoughts come more naturally, spinning us with pictures we make in our head, or leaping ahead to the “what ifs”… Comfort comes in a smorgasbord. Get to know yourself day by day. Leave the judgment. With every thought and feeling there is a gift and curse while walking changes. Maybe you can practice holding both,” the gift of my spinning with thoughts is… the curse of it is….” Empty nest gives permission to know yourself in new ways. Your two constant friends are compassion and curiosity.
Even if you have gone through this before, when the last child leaves, you weep.
Career, married, single, all weep when the house emptiness of your child and their friends.
Community is lost.
School days are over.
You long for new meaning and connections.
You want your child to call.
I know, as an empty nest mom, that life does get happy and fun. Parents across the country have shared their journey with me and I am honored to hold their stories. Change doesn’t travel in a straight line. You don’t, “Get it,” and then life is wonderful.
You feel your feelings whenever and wherever they pop up.
Some parents take time to be. Some leap into action.
The biggest challenge I hear is , “What do I want to do that will be fulfilling, how do I grow a new relationship with my kids that respects me and respects them, and I’m not sure I am that into my partner anymore, which scares me.”
Change means you are in the unknown. You have never been at this stage of life before. There will be people who say, “Get over it. Your child isn’t gone forever. Get a life. People have it worse than you do.” Well, I am sure you have read or heard the comments. You be true to you.
Make friends with not knowing the answers, yet. That could sound and feel like, ” I don’t know what I want to do with my free time and I do know I can get help. I’m frustrated today, but that won’t last forever. I am so sad, but who wouldn’t be when you miss someone you love?”
You have heard the lists of what people added to their life:
Travel
Volunteer
Visiting people they didn’t have time to see before
Hobbies
New careers
Mentoring
Learning a new language
Working part time
Piano lessons
Organic gardening
Book groups
Dating
Dancing
Cooking classes
Golf
Tennis
Swimming
Yoga
Meditation
Prayer
Walking
Water colors
What you might not have heard is you have done enough and you do enough. Trial and error for the next spark. Begin and leave. Adults forget they get to go somewhere and leave for whatever reason comes up for them. Yes, give it a try and at the same time , honor when the place, activity , or people aren’t a match for you at this time. Keep going. Keep going. I say that louder because our mind tends to trick us into the voice of, “I will never find something or someone. I will always be alone or left out of the fun of life.”
Find support. Ask for help. You would be surprised how many people wish they had called one friend or someone in the community who would hear them right where they are today.
If you don’t have someone, find websites where there is a community so you don’t feel alone. Friendships end. Relationships end. Career changes. Begin some connection somewhere which could be at a bookstore, museum, art opening, café, religious setting, walking, etc. when you are ready.
If you aren’t ready, check in with yourself and ask, “Do I need to get out anyhow, or do I need to be for today?”
There are so many stories I could share. So here is one.
A mother didn’t want to commit here time to anything, yet. She did want something that made her feel needed and engaged.
Cooking worked. She would surprise a neighbor with comfort food, one dish. Once she called me and told me she didn’t really know the neighbor well, except for an occasional wave or hello.
The fresh fruit with banana bread turned out to be a way to feel more connected in her neighborhood and still have her free time.
No she didn’t want to start a business or do this scheduled. She cooked and gave when she felt like it.
Wishing you time for being good to yourself and a building of inner trust that you will feel happiness and meaning.
Take good care,
Natalie
natalie@emptynestsupport.com
800-446-3310 or 818-763-0188 Los Angeles CA
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OK, so I should be planning what I am going to do when I come back home from dropping my daughter off in mid – August as a Freshman. I should. I don’t. My list of what she needs and doesn’t need to take, what to do for fun and more bonding before she leaves, relatives, bank account, health kit, travel details, keeps me happily busy.
When I write this I act as if I am the one going off to college. Crazy me. I am just deeply in the last hoorah of mother role. Yes, she could do all this. I want to do it and she isn’t complaining, so far, except for plans to bond. She is into last minute choices not commitments a week out.
I don’t blame her. I am just holding the door knob so tight with both of us in her room.
She is not my first to go. My son leaped a year ago. Weepy mom slobbered on my shirt so he wouldn’t see me freaking out about GOODBYE baby boy.
I don’t even know what I should and shouldn’t be doing, let alone feeling. Honestly, I don’t think I would care right now. I just have to do what I have to do until she yells at me or I collapse. Collapse is the goal because it is a sure sleep success.
Will you help me after I come back from the hug goodbye? Will you tell me this is how parents feel and I will be ok? Will you help me find something that I care about with my free time? Will you just keep her happy and safe? Oh, you don’t do that do you? Well who does do that?
Keep in touch, ok? Swim and float with me when I get back home from her dorm.
Bye for now,
Mom on the verge of the biggest letting go she has ever been called to live.
Back to school is not only new beginnings for parents and students, but for anyone who feels the end of playful summer and the hope for more meaning, connection, and creativity in the Fall.
Questions about relationships, finances, work, parenting, illness, care-taking, re-locating, wellness, and fun, rise up.
I just want to let you know we are forming new support groups for all transitions, whether that is empty nest, re-invention, divorce, loss, illness, retirement, marriage, etc. Transitions include celebrations. What you might not know is, even joy, shakes your bones because you have not been in that space before.
In my happy years of speaking with thousands of people across the country about transitions, the number one question I am asked is, AM I NORMAL?
Surprise in exploring your feelings and options is you only ask yourself one time, WHAT’S NEXT FOR ME? Research shows, five times asking that question, WHAT’S NEXT FOR ME, integrates and allows you to deepen to different parts of yourself that carry wisdom.
Parts of you had to go dormant. During a transition, you are invited to meet new selves. What part needs attention? What needs a shift of perception? What needs a goodbye? What are your gifts and challenges? What is your most comfortable emotion? What compliments have people said to you over the years?
When people gather with curiosity and compassion, seated with the intention to openness, as well as, focus, change appears.
Call for more information about support groups or email:
natalie@emptynestsupport.com
Toll free, 800-446-3310 Los Angeles, CA Pacific time.
I reinvented my career. When you read my list on my website of life transitions, you will relate to why I am passionate about support for changing times. I know the value of being heard, supported, and met right where you are. One tool, can lift you because it is something you never thought of before. One new friend, can hold your hand as you step up or weep.
Looking forward to connecting with you,
Natalie
Natalie Caine M.A.
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I think we don’t feel it or view it enough. Parents, Boomers, Students, Divorced and Married, call me asking, “How do I know what I want to do next?” Under the opening question is their doubt, disappointments, exhaustion, and lack of support. You can relate to those moments. Who hasn’t been there?
I truly believe the practice of appreciation, daily, even hourly, on a blue day, can lift you. It sounds too simple so we don’t do it. Not enough sparks and whistles. Not an end to the long journey of NOT KNOWING YET.
Don’t you wish when you were in high school that someone taught a class called, “LIVING IN THE UNKNOWN?” At least there would be a memory as an adult that unknowns aren’t monsters, mistakes, or something to fix. Believe me, I don’t always like that seat, either, and yet, I do know, something of value comes from the emptiness.
When you leap, your head is often making the choice. Poor heart isn’t getting any attention. For some they spin too long and the head and heart get foggy. Try a walk. Let your body give some clues and relief. Ask yourself, FIVE TIMES, yes five, not one, like most of you do, “WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY?”
When a client of mine truly had the blues, after getting to know her, we discovered that a walk to her local park, hearing children, seeing them play, listening to mothers and dads laugh and discipline, lifted her spirits. What might bring a moment of happiness to you?
Get support. No one wants to figure out or sit alone with pain. We endure too long.
Take good care,
Natalie
Natalie Caine M.A.
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She couldn’t see around the corner since her divorce. Love lost? Not exactly. No regrets. Love no longer moving forward hand in hand.
Summer and the living doesn’t feel easy. Financial shifts and singlehood aren’t carefree days when you are grieving the life you thought you would have and uncertain about love tomorrow.
1. Full on permission to weep. Who wouldn’t when change unexpectedly lands in your bedroom? Buy the softest aloe Kleenex you can purchase.
2. Treat yourself as well as you would treat your friend going through divorce.
3. Ask for help. One woman set up an email with her friend that simply said, “I LOVE YOU. GET OUTSIDE TODAY.” Support goes a long way.
4. Make a plan on your calendar to do something for yourself on the weekend.
What use to bring you joy?
5. No spinning like a hamster. Jump off the wheel. Sometimes in life you are in the mystery even though you want answers.
6. Practice present moment by feeling your feet on the floor and seeing what is right in front of you…the window, the object on the bookcase.
7. Remind yourself this loss and pain won’t last forever.
8. Take little steps forward for creativity that will lift your spirits.
Would that be a class, the arts, hiking group, bowling, city tours?
9. Say at bedtime what you appreciate about yourself.
10. If you have trouble sleeping, buy a meditation tape for relaxation and healing.
Transitions are an invitation to go within and learn more about who you are, who you aren’t, and what new resources are needed at this stage of your life.
Take very good care with gentleness to self.
Natalie
Natalie Caine M.A.
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My son is leaving in August and I am freaking out. Me, the mature parent who has a full life, but cries about his empty room. I just don’t have people to talk with about this change. Of course, I will be his mom and see him on holidays, but I am no longer the go to for him. I no longer will chat in the kitchen about his day nor hear him with his friends in the yard.
We are so busy now but soon that silence will be too much. I work, am married, and am a go getter, but not feeling the energy of planning for this change.
All those years of parenting and being with other parents is shifting. I don’t even know what my role with him is as he launches his adulthood.
Sure, I will enjoy the free time but not the non-connect. I am not asking him to call once a week. It is up to him. I just haven’t found much support for this new time of life that is around the corner.
Thank goodness I found empty nest support services so I don’t think I am nuts or alone on my new self-journey. I wonder who I will become?
So that’s my story,
Ally
Natalie Caine, M.A. natalie@lifeintransition.org
